Who will Win the 2008 Presidential Election of the USA

• Transiting Saturn will be opposed Uranus. The last time they were opposed in the same signs of Saturn in Leo and Uranus in Aquarius, there was one of the most devastating plagues on our planet, killing 1/4th of the planets population, of over 100 million people. Rahu and Ketu will be in Cancer/Capricorn indicating the water. Rahu is poisons and in Cancer can indicate poisons in the water.

• Major transits affect McCain’s and Obama’s chart. Hilary is not so affected. This is why I believe she is not part of this treacherous event. Obama and McCain have exact conjunctions of their natal planets with each other’s charts. Obama’s Sun is McCain’s Mars, both at 19 degrees of Cancer. At the time of the elections transiting Ketu will be exactly on this point of 19 degrees of Cancer.

• Obama’s Venus at 8 degrees of Gemini is exactly conjunct McCain’s Ketu, also at 8 degrees of Gemini. This means they are karmically linked. And Venus rules Obama’s 10th house for career. This can mean McCain will block Obama from winning the Presidency.McCain’s Venus is at 29 degrees of Leo and Obama’s Mars is at 29 degrees of Leo. At the time of the elections Transiting Saturn and Uranus will be opposing this degree mark at 25 degrees of Leo. Transiting Uranus is 25 Aquarius and transiting Saturn is 25 degrees of Leo. McCain also has natal Saturn at 25 degrees of Aquarius opposed his natal Venus.

Transits for Election Day 11/04/2008 11pm

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Barak Obama

Dashas Jupiter/Moon

• His dasha at the time of the Presidential election in November and the Inauguration will be Jupiter/Moon.

• His natal Jupiter is in his 1st house and rules houses 3/12. Jupiter is in Uttara Ashada which is ruled by the Sun. The Sun is in the 7th house and rules the 8th. His Bhukti ruler the Moon is in his 5th house in the nakshatra Krittika also ruled by the Sun.

• Making the maha dasha ruler the ascendant we get the same chart since his Jupiter is in the 1st house. Bhukti ruler is in the 5th house, a great house for a person that is seeking to be the advisor to a nation.

Transits (Obama)

• Transiting Jupiter is in Sagittarius in the 12th house aspecting his natal Mars. Mars rules houses 4/11. It is in the nakshatra Uttara Phalguni ruled by the Sun. The Sun is in the 7th and rules the 8th house. Jupiter will be transiting his 8th house from the Moon. The bhukti ruler the Moon moves quickly and will be in the sign of Capricorn aspecting his natal Saturn and Jupiter in the 1st house, and Sun/Mercury in the 7th house.

• Transiting Ketu will be conjunct his natal Sun in the 7th house ruler of the 8th, and nakshatra ruler Mercury is also in the 7th house but ruler of houses 6/9. Transiting Ketu brings with it in its transit its natal imprint which is its placement in the 2nd house in Aquarius ruled by Saturn, but its nakshatra is Dhanishta which is ruled by Mars in his 8th house and rules houses 4/11. Ketu in its transiting aspect brings 8th house experiences, which of course can bring death. Ketu is the karaka of death and for it to be exactly on his Sun in the 7th house can mean there is going to be a threat to his life. Another detail I haven’t mentioned is the 2nd and 7th houses are maraka houses, meaning death inflicting. There is a reoccurring theme involving the 2nd and 7th house especially at this point in time. The 7th house indicates his running mate can cause great destruction as well.

• Transiting Saturn is conjunct his natal Mars in the 8th house. Mars is in the Sun’s nakshatra which is in the 7th house, and the Sun is being hit by transiting Ketu.

• Transiting Pluto will be opposing his natal Venus in his 6th house as ruler of the 10th house. Pluto indicates endings and death, therefore death of the career pursuits.

• In his navamsha chart his dasha rulers Jupiter/Moon are in the 9th house together in Pisces. This could give him the presidency but in McCain’s navamsha he has his dasha ruler in the 10th house and Bhukti in the 6th. This will cause him to win. The 10th is the career and the 6th house is defeating opponents.

Transiting Nakshatras (Obama)

• We are looking for transiting planets to be in the nakshatras that rule his maha dasha and bhukti ruler. In his case his dasha planets are Jupiter/Moon There are planets in Jupiter’s nakshatra, transiting Sun, Mars and Moon. Are there any transiting planets in the Moon’s nakshatra? Yes, Rahu is in Shravana ruled by the Moon. This will activate his natal Moon in terms of its placement in the 5th house, and the house it rules the 7th and its nakshatra ruler Sun in the 7th. Rahu gives the result in transit of its natal placement, house ruler and nakshatra ruler. So in this case Rahu gives the result of the 8th house and Ketu (nakshatra ruler) in the 2nd house. This is a dangerous planet for it has the quality of the 8th house of death and the 2nd house, a maraka house indicating death as well. The 8th house is the house of disgrace and can indicate the uncovering of indiscriminate or disgraceful past or present actions that ruin his prospects for the presidency. This is a volatile time for Obama. Looks like he makes some head way but the results can be devastating!

McCain for Election Day, Dasha Saturn/Jupiter and Transiting Nakshatras

• John McCain is in Saturn /Jupiter, Saturn in his 6th house in Aquarius own sign of rulership. Saturn is in Purva Bhadrapada ruled by Jupiter. His natal Saturn will give the result of natal Jupiter in the 3rd house. This gives him enormous will power and drive to fight. Actually the upachaya placements of both Saturn and Jupiter give him the perseverance to win. Upachaya houses give drive, ambition and the ability to win over opponents. The upachaya houses in any chart are 3, 6, 10 and 11.

• When transiting planets are in a nakshatra they activate the other portions in the zodiac ruled by the same nakshatra and any natal planets in this nakshatra. At the time of the elections there are 3 planets transiting the nakshatra ruled by Jupiter. The Sun is in Vishakha, Moon in Purva Bhadrapada, and Mars in Vishakha all ruled by Jupiter. So this gives power to natal Jupiter and Saturn producing a result during its dasha. Saturn is in Jupiter’s nakshatra Purva Bhadrapada.

• Jupiter bhukti, Jupiter is in the 3rd house rules houses 7/4 and is nakshatra Jyeshta ruled by Mercury. His natal Mercury is in the 1st house exalted in Virgo and rules houses 1/10. Are there transiting nakshatras in Mercury ruled nakshatras during this time frame? Yes, Ketu is in Ashlesha ruled by Mercury. Since McCain has his natal Ketu in the 10th house in Gemini ruled by Mercury, in Ardra (ruled by Rahu) transiting Ketu will give the result of the 10th house and Rahu placed in the 4th. Essentially, both dasha rulers are activated by the transiting nakshatras to give a winning result.

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McCain’s chart to the Inauguration chart

• Transiting Jupiter will be conjunct McCain’s natal Moon ruler of his 11th house. His Moon is in his 5th house but is in the Sun’s nakshatra and the Sun is in the 12th house. The transit of Jupiter brings its natal 3rd house energy and its nakshatra ruler Mercury which is in the 1st house ruler of 1/10. Jupiter brings success to him. Transiting Jupiter aspects his natal Mercury exactly, ruler of the 10th house. Transiting Saturn aspects his natal Saturn exactly. His Saturn brings with it its natal 6th house placement in its own sign Aquarius, plus its nakshatra dispositor Jupiter in the 3rd house. The transiting Sun conjunct his natal Moon represents a new beginning for him. Additionally, McCain will soon begin his Mercury maha dasha. This is one of his best cycles. Mercury is exalted in the 1st house and has directional strength (dig bala). It is lessened in power by its debilitation in the navamsha, but is still angular there too.

Obama’s chart to Inauguration Chart

• Transiting Jupiter will conjunct his natal Jupiter and exactly trine his natal Moon. The Moon rules his 7th house, and Jupiter rules houses 3/12. Both natal planets are in the Sun’s nakshatra. But with the Sun being conjoined transiting Ketu it seems to be wiped out. Transiting Saturn on his natal Mars will cause great frustration. Mars is in the 8th house rules house 4/11 and is in the Sun’s nakshatra. Ketu on the Sun will block the light, even though he does have great aspects on his 1st house planets Jupiter/Saturn, and Jupiter trining the natal Moon. The Sun as the planet for Presidents is blocked. Additionally there are no great aspects to natal Venus, and Venus does rule his 10th house of career.

Final Verdict

• Major shifts will rock the core of America in this election. Looks like terrorist activity or possible assassination attempts for both men, but more specifically Obama. Because of Obamas’s 7th house the real problem for him may come from his running mate or his wife. This can be the real problem that prevents him from winning.

• The end result will be John McCain will win the Presidency of the United States of America.

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Terry Perkins  - Incredible   |IP76.237.241.xxx |2008-05-19 07:08:09 Joni, You are always right on target. My life has changed dramatically starting May 1st. You are amazing! Time will tell with this prediction but you are always right! TLP

David Bruce Hughes  - Excellent Article!     |IP200.52.112.xxx |2008-05-19 07:18:18 Dear Joni, Best article yet! I use Jyotish in my personal life and to help my spiritual students, and find it very powerful and effective. You have given enough detail that anyone can verify your train of thought. We also try to do the same on our courses on Vedic philosophy and astrology. Keep up the good work! love, Baba

Robert Foster  - does she know? if you know, but have forgott'n, s   |IP68.42.178.xxx |2008-05-19 08:06:17 does she know? If you have yet to see, you must be shown, if you know, but have forgott'n, see this as a remind'n, of what be in thee... For sure an erupt'n, aris'n, eclipse siz'd shinn'n, be smil'n through ya, this day, with musical tones flow'n like melt'd chocolate dropp'n, danc'n graciously, while meander'n around San Francisco's bay, as its gather'n over cool'd strawberries, sweet, these tones be! For sure, a majestic current, seen flown'n in these streams, from deep beneath this heart of earth, within an amaz'n woman! As vast as the call'n ocean, beckon'n it's streams, sound'n of life truly be heard! An aris'n of generational reach'n destiny's, from within an adorable Queen be observ'd! Seasons now past, were these gifts hidd'n, But Now! a new Season! As Joy is releas'd, this day, and those forthcom'n, always this truth be known, and flow'n. Welcome! and Thank You, for being You, and for shar'n your thoughts with me, and all you see! your friend, Robert Foster

wp   |IP76.5.69.xxx |2008-05-20 05:53:54 Joanie, Can you post the birthtimes of the candidates that you are using, with all pertinent info? It isn't on the top of article. thanks.

Dennis B.   |IP75.32.10.xxx |2008-05-20 09:22:37 Joni!!!! Ouch! What a prediction for the election! Say it isn't so! :) Wonderful analysis. Don't forget, however, Saturn is the planet of the masses, look at GWBush with it in the ascendant. Don't discount Obama with his Saturn in the first conjunct Jupiter. Very powerful yoga here especially as he is in Jupiter/Saturn, yes? McCain on the other hand is in Lagna Sade Sati with the great significator of loss (Saturn) in the house of loss. My experience has been that Saturn brings deep suffering (particularly physical) here although it can turn the mind inward to the truth through the process. Will be interesting to see. Big hugs, Dennis

Anne Beversdorf  - astrological counselor     |IP75.13.83.xxx |2008-05-20 09:45:13 Joni, thank you so much for your beautiful analysis. In light of the recent new estimates of Obama's birth time, what time do you use for his chart? (and McCain's, too) Anne Beversdorf

Cris K.     |IP208.66.144.xxx |2008-05-20 16:55:17 There is now a link below Joni's "Final Verdict" that will take you to the birth information and natal charts she is using for both John McCain and Barack Obama. Take care.

Mu'Min M. Bey  - Don't Believe The Hype: Reconsiderations Of Barac     |IP172.165.29.xxx |2008-05-20 22:54:32 Don't Believe The Hype: Reconsiderations Of Barack Obama's "New" Birthtime Part One - Horary Analysis 6:48 PM 05/19/2008 Mon With the 2008 United Astrology Congress, which was held in Denver CO this year, about to go down in the history books, perhaps now is the time to (re)consider this year's Main Event of sorts - the revealing of a "new" birthtime for Democratic Presidential candidate, Illinois Senator Barack Obama. According to noted Vedic astrologer Joni Patry of Dallas TX, Obama's point of entry into this world occured at 7.11PM local time at Honolulu HI. For Western astrologers, this clocktime yields an Asc of 14 Aqr 21. Although I did not attend the proceedings, I am told that this event was attended with much fanfare and pomp; the local and national news covered the event; and it appears that Ms. Patry is getting quite a bit of press mileage out of it all. But there's just one small problem with all of this: The time she reported, is not so. How can I be so sure, you may ask? Of course, if you're as intense an astrology enthusiast as myself, you already know that Ms. Patry's "reveal" sounds quite dubious - she gets wind of the birthtime from a client who got it from a "campaign manager" in the Obama campaign, by way of a "closed-access government website" - meaning, that no one can actually get a hardcopy of the birth r...

Mu'Min M. Bey  - Barack Obama Birthtime, Etc.     |IP172.165.29.xxx |2008-05-20 22:58:56 Hello Joni, You don't know me b ut you do know quite well a colleague of mine. Although I respect your service in the astrology community I must vociferously take issue with the nature of the "new" birthtime for Obama, and have written my findings on this as well as the Vedic situation obtaining for him which can be found on my blogsite. The post before this one outlines Part One of my analysis, which centers on trhe moment both you and Moses Siregar III announced the "new" birthtime information, in the light of classic Horary analysis per the William Lilly method. Part Two focuses more on making the case for Obama having Mithuna Lagna, per my extensive researches of his life. Comment or reply are much appreciated. Salaam Mu

Karen Shea  - Fascinating article!   |IP70.114.31.xxx |2008-05-22 18:04:30 Joni, Thank you for this detailed and fascinating description of the election! Your readings for me have been so powerful and accurate, I can't imagine that anything other than what you describe here will play out over the next five months. Your new website is fantastic. It captures your lovely brand of spiritually perfectly. Karen

Jussta  - My 2008 Predictions on my web site written in firs     |IP72.197.94.xxx |2008-06-04 18:06:45 I agree with your interpretation, although I do not know Vedic Astrology, I have had readings done. However, I intuitively predicted attempted asassinations of both candidates back then. One will die, one will go into a coma and be "forgotten". I instinctively feel that Hillary Clinton has become an alcoholic. I believe in Western Astrology, she has a major Neptune transit - whatever, I could "see" her getting drunk, not being realistic, getting caught up in illusion, delusions. As for McCain, I sense he is going to drop dead. His health is not what it is claimed to be in the medical reports. My friend forwarded your predictions, good to have confirmation from Astrology on what my predictions for 2008 are all coming to pass. Blessings of Love and Light, Jussta

Min Wilson   |IP24.60.167.xxx |2008-07-04 16:10:21 Hi Joni and bloggers, Since Obama will be running Jupiter/Moon/Mercury dasha at the time of the election, here are some rays of hope (and note that he has been running Jupiter since 1996, quite well so far): The 7:24 pm birth time for Obama moves the Moon from difficult Krittika nakshatra to much better Rohini, its own Nakshatra. This further strengthens the Moon, which is strong anyway being exalted in Taurus in the highly beneficial fifth house. And the Moon is five (trine) houses from dasha ruler Jupiter, so that helps how they work together. Mercury, the third dasha indicator, rules the ninth house ("the best house"), with the ninth being its mooltrikona (best sign) Virgo. Jupiter, although ruling twelfth and third houses and so not a good planet for Capricorn ascendant, is strengthened by its association with Ascendant ruler Saturn in its own sign Capricorn. Looking at Barack Obama's life so far, which has been taking place in his Jupiter dasha since 1996 (!!), it is clear that he has been living this planet through higher aspects of the third (courage, energy, stamina) and the twelfth (inspiration, concern for the downtrodden, concern with foreign affairs). There is a lot of strength in this chart. The chart ruler Saturn is in its own sign in both the main and navamsha charts; and dasha rulers Jupiter and Mercury are in their own signs in the navamsha chart as...

Min Wilson   |IP24.60.167.xxx |2008-07-04 16:14:44 hi all, here is the rest of my blog: There is a lot of strength in this chart. The chart ruler Saturn is in its own sign in both the main and navamsha charts; and dasha rulers Jupiter and Mercury are in their own signs in the navamsha chart as well. Fifth and Ninth houses are the "lucky" houses. Seventh house ruler Moon is in the lucky fifth, and lucky ninth ruler Mercury is in the seventh, suggesting luck with people and the public. Could this protect him from the dangers associated with other people? It does not seem an unreasonable hope. If he does win the presidency, we see that the dasha on inauguration day is Jupiter/Moon/Venus. Venus is not as strong as Mercury, but it is the yogakaraka or "best" planet for Capricorn ascendant, and its placement in the sixth, if used to best advantage, could indicate ability to mediate and conciliate effectively with his opponents. Best regards, Min

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