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November 2008 News from the Stars

Spiritual Insights

Each year in the month of November I sit down and write my predictions for each month of the New Year. I also write the predictions for each sign for each month. This is a grueling project but it is worth the effort because as I look at each personal individual chart I read for my clients I know exactly where the planets fall for each month, and understand how the planetary energy will affect each and every client for their future predictions. I encourage all of my students to do this. I know where the planets are for each month of the year so that I can plug them into each client’s chart I look at. The reason I am bringing this up is because I am looking at the predictions here I wrote over a year ago for the month of November 2008. Not knowing who the democratic nominee would be, this prediction looks to be insinuating the election of Obama. After reading my own previous predictions for November 2008, I am in awe and reverence once again of the power of Astrology.

I have tirelessly been studying the charts of the Presidential nominees and indicated I believed McCain’s chart shows he has a small edge in winning the election over Obama. I know the race will be extremely close and the results will be surprising. “If” we even have any results at all on election day with all the calamity. Now I am told the chart I have been using for McCain is incorrect and the real birth time has surfaced in a new birth certificate. I do not know if this is real or a hoax. The new surfaced birth certificate gives 6:25 pm as the time of birth. This of course changes the chart completely. If this new chart is correct McCain will not win. It has his dasha ruler Mercury in the 8th house in its own sign. So it is the ruler of the 8th in the 8th house. This is the house of disgrace and endings. The birth time is imperative in giving an accurate reading for the time sets up the entire chart. I want to emphasize the importance of knowing the birth time for an accurate reading.

John McCain's Birth Chart with 6:25pm as the Birth Time

John McCain Birth Chart - 6:25pm
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I feel the original chart I used seems more like John McCain because in the 12th house he has the Sun ruler of the 12th in the 12th house, which represents his time spent in prison. In the new chart he has the Moon in the 12th house which could argue the prison stay since the 12th house represents prison. Venus and Mercury in Virgo the 8th house represents extreme wealth from the partner. The 8th house is the 2nd from the 7th meaning your partner’s money. So I can see the validity for this new chart, but it just doesn’t feel right. Time will tell which chart is correct.

Aside from the right or wrong birth time I want to share some very specific omens that have been given to me over the past few months. Those that know me, understand much of the information given to me comes through omens the Universe communicates to me. Most of us receive this information but are totally unaware of it. To be a humble servant of the Divine I open to, and receive this knowledge and wisdom whether it is for personal clients, for myself or for the world. Let me share what I have received.

Messages this year have been coming through loud and clear that the next few years will very reminiscent of the 1960’s. It came to me to compare the chart of Barack Obama to the charts of Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King for my presentation at the United Astrological Conference (UAC) in May. I have specifically been guided to tell everyone that if Barack Obama is elected President there is a very strong possibility that he would be assassinated. This would explain my psychic voice telling me get ready for the return of the 1960s. When I think of the 60’s I think of a revolutionary time for the masses, social uprisings, racial tension, hatred of the government, and many assassinations. One good thing that came out of the 60’s was the amazing music of a time that was so passionately turbulent. I believe this is a new dawning and wakening now, just as in the 60’s, and you will see much good come out of this time of mass hysteria. This will be a REPEAT of the 1960’s.

After a dinner presentation at my restaurant (Patry’s Bistro) in June, I once again predicted the threat of an assassination of Obama based on his individual chart. My concern is that on the fated day of elections Ketu will be exactly conjunct Obama’s Sun. My personal experience with Ketu is it indicates death or endings. So my prediction was, that this may mean he will lose the election or far worse if he wins he will be assassinated. When I returned home after that evening my son Preston presented me with a magazine he was laughing at. He was laughing at all the advertisements in it because there were only for cigarettes and alcohol. I thought it was odd since I haven’t seen a cigarette ad in many, many years. I turned over to the cover of the magazine and it had Bobby Kennedy running for President. The date on the cover of the magazine was March 1968. Immediately I realized this was the month and year Martin Luther King was assassinated and three months later Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. I knew this specifically because I just did my class at UAC on these people and dates. I knew this was truly significant and was confirming my prediction. I had absolutely no idea where this magazine came from and after that evening, I can’t find it. I have had a number of these specific omens occur in the past in my life. They are always specific and true. They involve the appearance of material things that I believe are moved around and presented to me. Spirits, or a force beyond this world move these things.

Another specific omen occurred last month. I have always loved the rock opera “Tommy” by “The Who”. I feel the symbology is extremely deep and profound. It was so glitzy that most over looked the profound message. I was so moved by the movie that I wrote about it in my book “Awaken to the Truth”. And as an aspiring old hippie at heart, I absolutely love the old rock and roll of “The Who,” “My Generation”! I write about the myths of our time in my soon to be released book citing “The Wizard of Oz” and “Tommy.” My sons have watched “Tommy” with me repeatedly and my son Christian noted it was being performed at the local Dallas Theater Center. He immediately bought me front row tickets! I was so excited to have front row tickets where the music from “Tommy” would be played live. Interestingly enough, not too many in the audience had my zeal for the production. But it was what was about to be played out that helped me understand the message the Universe was presenting to me. Just to sum it up the storyline of "Tommy;" it was about a small child who saw something he should not have seen. The parents shook him saying, “You didn’t see it, you didn’t hear it, you won’t say nothing, because it will seem absurd without any proof.” From that day on the child became deaf, dumb and blind. This is symbolic of the conditioning the parents instill in a child. Because Tommy only lived within himself unaffected by the outside world he became connected to the Divine spirit within. He was able to master amazing feats beyond this world using his sixth sense, as he became a pinball wizard beating everyone even though he could neither see nor hear. The parents tried everything in the outside world to heal him, without luck. They knew deep within they were the cause of this problem but couldn’t confess to it. The one thing Tommy was fascinated with was his own reflection in the mirror. He couldn’t see anything else but himself. This is symbolic as to seeing the spirit within, that which we perceive in meditation, our Divine connection to God. Finally one day Tommy falls into the mirror and “Awakens.” This is what is portrayed in the song “I’m Free.” From this day on he is seen as the “Enlightened Messiah.” Everyone wants to follow Tommy and be his disciple so they may find their own enlightenment. Unfortunately they are not enlightened, and they turn on Tommy. In the end they kill Tommy just as had happened to Christ.

Okay, here is the really interesting omen in this particular local play presentation. In the movie “Tommy,” the lead character is played by Roger Daltrey. He had long blond curly hair and steel blue eyes. Tommy’s parents were played by Ann Margret and Oliver Reed. In the play I saw in Dallas, the parents were white but the actor portraying the boy, and the man once Tommy grew up, were both black. I thought the casting here was very odd. The parents are white, but the boy is black. Why would they cast the play this way? Then I realized the significance! The Universe was telling me, and everyone in the audience this is the story of Obama. I wonder how many understood this? I guarantee my son and I were the only ones, because people don’t see the omens being presented to them on a daily basis. The story is of the new messiah, and he is black, who comes to save us and when he doesn’t succeed the people kill him. I believe America is looking to Obama to save this country from all the ruin they perceive the last presidential regime has inflicted on them. It is all about us looking to someone outside ourselves to heal our own world. And it is always someone else’s fault for the conditions in this world. As is so clearly symbolized in the movie “Tommy” we must look within ourselves to find enlightenment, and we cannot look outsides ourselves to be saved. No one can do it for us. We must take the responsibility to heal ourselves, and ultimately the world. This message is loud and clear for me especially as I see the world playing out this play as a reflection of our own issues. The person elected as President will be a reflection of the mass consciousness. It will play out as it has in history to teach us exactly what we came here to learn. Yes, I do believe this is one of the most important times in history. We are part of a “new awakening.” This is the most exciting and eventful time in history to be alive. Also, expect some of the best music to come out of this passionately emotional time, just as it did in the 1960's.

Planetary Predictions

From October 21st when the Moon enters Cancer and conjuncts Ketu, until November 5th when the Moon is in Capricorn, there will be Kala Sarpa yoga in effect. This creates irrational thinking and social uprisings. This will be a very turbulent time in history. Everything will seem out of control. This is a dangerous time. With all the focus on the elections, some very unexpected events are brewing under the surface. Our attention is not where it should be. Expect the unexpected!. Undercurrents are forming now that will have a devastating effect both on our nation and globally.

November 2008 New Moon Chart for the USA

USA New Moon Chart for November 2008
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November 1st Neptune will turn direct. This will bring things into focus that have been unclear for so long. It will be shocking to see the true reality of things from this point on.

November 4th, Mars aspects Neptune causing misunderstandings and misrepresentation of information, or false promises. Unbelievable that on November 4th, two MAJOR aspects will occur and this would just happen to be election day. The aspects I am referring to are Saturn opposing Uranus and Mars square Neptune. Brace yourself for nothing will go as predicted. There will be disillusionment, social uprising and deception. A turn of events will wake a sleeping nation. Nothing will be the same from this day forward. This is the event we have been building toward - a nation totally polarized and divided by an election. This is a clear example of the polarity or duality of this world. How can so many be so extreme with their views? The anger and righteousness on each political side scares me! This will only breed mass riots and social unrest instead of the healing of a nation that so desperately needs healing. Personally I can see good in each political candidate and I agree on certain topics with each political candidate. The sad thing is, people are looking to the Present to lead us out of the bad situations our nation is in. No human can do this! Once the reality sets in that the problems of our nation cannot be healed by one man, then the blame will once again be focused upon the President. We should instead be considering what each of us as an individual can do to improve our world. I do believe this will be the beginning of a new era of spirituality. I look forward to the awakening this new era will produce. I plan to be on the forefront of these positive changes. Watch as women will come into power in this amazing time.

On November 7th Mars will enter Scorpio. Toward the end of this month and early December, Mars will enter into a difficult area of the sky approaching the fixed star Antares. This is the star of military and war. I suspect it will feel like war on this planet. Once again I want to emphasize all of this is not because of who is our President, it is caused by the anger and hostility of the people.

Around November 11th Saturn will aspect the Sun and Venus will conjunct Pluto. This indicates some very upsetting and serious events that have a somber nation looking for answers.

The Full Moon occurs November 13th. This will bring a realization of the chaotic events into awareness. How we view our world will change and we can never go back to a more ignorant time. We must move on to a different realization.

November 21st Jupiter trines Saturn; there seems to be a clear spot on the horizon. There is much needed hope to be realized, and plans to put the economy back on track appear. Stock markets will be on the upswing. This will give peace in a turbulent time. But I believe it is very temporary!

November 28th Uranus will turn direct. My experience with stock markets has always been contingent on the aspects of planet Uranus. Watch the aspects to this planet and you will be able to predict the rise and fall of the markets. (Please don’t contact me to predict the stock market for you personally….I don’t do this!) But the fact that Uranus has been opposing Saturn and retrograde has been the cause of the extremes in the market. And the fact that it has been retrograde is one of the reasons for this so called stock market crash. You will see as the next 2 oppositions occur with Uranus and Saturn, the stock market will once again make an erratic turn. These dates are cited in last month’s newsletter. But the good news for now is the direct motion of Uranus will produce rises in the stock market.

The chart I feel is important to discuss in this newsletter, is the chart I have been using for the USA. It has been derived by one of my colleagues James Kelleher. I do believe this chart has validity. I have used it throughout timing events in America and it seems to work for me. It proved particularly insightful for September 11th 2001, as transiting Ketu and Mars were exactly on the ascendant on that fateful day.

1776 Birth Chart for the USA

1776 USA Birth Chart
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USA Chart

The most interesting part I want point out here is the recent change of the dashas. The maha dasha for this chart for the United States of America has just shifted into Mars dasha sequence on September 26th 2008. This is huge! We just came out of a 10-year cycle of the Moon. The Mars cycle will last for 7 years. Within this cycle there will be major outbreaks of war and violence.

In December transiting Pluto and Mars will conjoin the ascendant degree. This was the degree Mars and Ketu conjoined on September 11, 2001. As Mars is the dasha lord and transiting Mars and Pluto conjoin the ascendant degree in this chart you will see major transformations occur that affect our nation forever! Pluto will pass over this degree mark repeatedly this year. It is a year of extreme transformations. Pluto is the god of death so these events will transform and change, or take lives.

Watch when Mars will oppose natal Sun on January 18, 2009, a few days before inauguration day. There is danger for a world leader in our country. The Sun represents leaders and transiting Mars in opposition to this planet in this chart is dangerous.

Transiting Jupiter will be with Rahu in the 2nd house of this chart indicating a change in the economy for our nation. Actually since Jupiter will be debilitated in the sign of Capricorn and with Rahu, it is very weak and is trying to overcome the damage done. Jupiter will shift into Capricorn around December 9th, when it will conjoin Rahu. The last time Jupiter conjoined Rahu was in 2001.

From February 23, 2009 to March 13, 2010 we will be in Mars/Rahu. This is extremely volatile since Rahu is in the 8th house, and close to this time transiting Rahu will be conjoining Ketu in the 2nd house of this chart. For those of you who do not know astrology, believe me this is a huge event in the making. For those of you who do know astrology, I know you will agree of the magnitude of this event! Expect giant changes in the economy and loss of lives.

Planetary Aspects

11/01 Neptune turns Direct
11/04 Saturn opposes Uranus
11/04 Mars aspects Neptune
11/07 Venus enters Sagittarius
11/07 Mars enters Scorpio
11/11 Saturn Aspects Sun (3rd)
11/12 Venus conjunct Pluto
11/13 Full Moon 27 Aries
11/15 Sun enters Scorpio
11/16 Saturn aspects Mercury
11/19 Mercury enters Scorpio
11/21 Jupiter aspects Saturn
11/25 Mercury conjunct Sun
11/27 New Moon 11 Scorpio
11/27 Uranus turns Direct
11/28 Mercury conjunct Mars


Excerpt From My Book "Awaken to the Truth"

peacockConnect To The Divine Spirit
To be connected to the Divine spirit, we need to pay attention to the omens or signs that are occurring. To be conscious and aware of these happenings gives us faith in the divinity of our existence and our belief in the Divine spirit. There is constant communication going on around us from the spirit world if we would only pay attention. Look for messages from the radio, television, posters or signs on the road, songs, animals, seeming coincidences, letters, and dreams, to name just a few. We aren’t alone and if you would only remember to ask, you will always get an answer if you are willing to read the omens.

"All meanings, we know, depend on the key of interpretation."
George Eliot 1819-1880

 

You may also be interested in reading Joni's followup notes for this newsletter, entitled, "Conscious Awareness."

 

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melanie   |IP68.111.104.xxx |2008-10-23 06:50:29
If you believe in the collective unconscious then PLEASE don't believe that this
man will be assassinated.Haven't we "the people" been hammered enough
with the Bush whitehouse. I think you are right about the unrest in our nation,
but this is not the 60s and I personally like to believe that we can EVOLVE. Why
would you spread that info even if you believe it. Every person who reads your
column will have that negative image in their head. The man represents true
"hope" for many people and we should try as a nation to move FORWARD not
backwards.
Lucille   |IP72.177.70.xxx |2008-10-23 07:40:04
Joni, like you, I too lived through the 60's turmoil as a teenager in high
school. I lived through many of my high school friends die in the Vietnam war.
Those were trying times and I sense we are repeating those lessons once again.
The fear of failure has gripped our planet for so long now. This has
culminated into anger and hate. We no longer see our true self. It's been
replaced with imagery. Until we learn self love and acceptance and stop looking
to others to fulfill the emptiness our anger and hate will continue to deepen.
I say let's shatter the false images, experience the humility we must and find
the faith and love within ourselves. I see both presidential candidates as they
are, just men. Neither can do for me as I can do for myself. I do not fear
the future, rather embrace whatever is to come and learn the lessons I must.
Namaste.
Kirtigandha Salwe  - This is profound!!   |IP66.169.152.xxx |2008-10-23 18:45:46
Dear Joni,a lady I met at the Fort worth public library mentioned to me about
you and emailed me this newsletter. It sure is profound. As i have some
experience with regression therapy I totally agree with when you say the spirit
world is constatntly trying to communicate with us. Its awesome these omens...i
can totally relate to all that you have talked about here. I looked up my
nakshatra... i belong to the Bharani and I am really facing the challenges a
bharani would face...It is painful but I know there is light at the end of the
tunnel. Cheers! Lots of love and light to you....Keep up the good work....we
need more light workers like you for a better planet.....
janna  - writer-teacher     |IP75.74.6.xxx |2008-10-23 19:16:02
One of the reasons I began studying vedic astrology in the early 90s, Joni, was
because I always sensed my western chart was not 'me.' When I saw my eastern
chart and began the self-study of Jyotish, I could understand many of the
patterns that had operated in my life more clearly . The other reason I began
the study of eastern astrology was because I knew that astrologers, like many
other healers in the esoteric sciences, are trained to focus only on the
positive. While I respect this, I wanted to know for myself, as a Cancer lagna
with Saturn 1* combust Cancer Sun what I could realistically expect "without
the clouds of mist obscuring reality." I work very hard to transcend the
'negative' planetary patterns both natal and by transit, but I like to know
the 'negative' I might encounter so that I can work harder to transcend it - the
reasons that we have both malefic and benefic planets, I think operating in our
charts. It is one reason I appreciate your interpretations because you show all
sides of the planetary picture. I too am a child of the sixties, now mature, and
while Obama may not be assassinated, there is a strong and deep core of racial
hatred in this country as most people are aware, and it's likely that the cycle
of chaos and disruption I lived through in my youth will repeat itself in some
form, especially if he is elected. There were tremendous freedoms that were ...
Joan  - Reply to Omens   |IP24.182.104.xxx |2008-10-25 07:12:28
When I returned home yesterday my husband was reading the paper and commented on
the fact that many commentators have and are talking about possible
assassination of Obama should he become our next President. The fact that you
have spiritual information that leans that way as well says to me that the
collective unconscious is concerned. I think we need to be aware of what our
inner spirit is telling us so that we can do something to change what might be
changeable. Through knowledge and then prayer, the change of a
"possible" future event can be changed.
judy  - He's creating his own violent demise     |IP24.91.237.xxx |2008-10-25 22:29:44
We all know that we create our conditions and circumstances. Obama comes from a
very intense and violent black liberation theology religion reference his
spiritual director of 20 years who is famous for "goddam America" and
"let Whitey pay." Obama is also associated closely with a violent
American terrorist William Ayers who is still an unrepentant felon. And his
greatest violence is support of gratuitous free for all abortion, partial birth
abortion, and the barbaric refusal of care for new babies who survive the
killing process.

I think his thinking and associations and policies against
life will justly end in death.
Tiffany   |IP76.184.43.xxx |2008-10-26 08:17:39
The predictions here are simply that - Predictions. If you follow any of the
teachings you would know that we all have the power to alter the outcome of a
prediction. Astrologers merely point out the possibilities based on the
alignment of the heavens.

Shooting the messenger is not the answer.
Will Stothart  - Thank You Joni   |IP66.25.30.xxx |2008-10-26 17:58:21
As a day trader I read your monthly comments with genuine earnest. They provide
the underlying market current and help confirm my technical work.

My charts
agree with you--Rally in November and down hard in December. More of the same
to come until the Spring 09.

Simply amazing. Thank you.
Carlos Cedillo  - Negative manifestation     |IP208.66.144.xxx |2008-10-30 16:04:02
This is shameful. You really can't call yourself serious. Nobody should joke
about assassination, much less predict such a thing in a purely subjective
interpretation of planetary positions.

Barack Obama is 9 Reed on the Mayan
calendar. That is the same day-sign as July 4th, 1776! He will assist America
in returning to our roots and restore our understanding of individual
sovereignty.

The '60 are not coming back. Get over yourself. The
transformation we are experiencing is far beyond all previous experiences in
human history.

Music sure needs a Revolution, but Pop music just doesn't
provide the vessel for that high of a vibration.

Sorry to rain on your
parade. Look in the mirror and re-think all this again. Do you want to see
Barack assassinated? Do you?

My heart is sickened by your suggestion.

May
you find the True Light....
Carlos Cedillo
George Newell  - Agree with Cosmicjagusr   |IP216.57.221.xxx |2008-10-28 11:09:29
Thank you Carlos for your comments. I agree 100% with you. We have to look to
the future with light and love and not compare the past events.

The global
energy is moving toward:

Expressing your freedom with harmony, respect and
compassion to all of life that lives on mother earth.

Healing and Positive
Thoughts
George
nikki   |IP86.168.29.xxx |2008-10-28 14:39:45
yes.. I agree also. Every human has to make their own decisions... but as I
learnt from African culture after living there... A strong and beautiful leader
is a god send and can magnify the collective conditions of a nation.. and I as a
UK citizen send positivity and hope and strength to Barack Obama... May the
angels protect him.
X love will out... great discussion!
Rhonda  - He's creating his own violence-response   |IP205.188.116.xxx |2008-10-29 12:20:35
Judy,
You are among the shamefully uninformed citizens of this country and it
is tragic that misinformation continues to be perpetuated in place of truth.
The statements you made have been revealed to be without truth or merit by every
major news outlet that is non-partisan. That means they have no political
leanings one way or another. The statements "goddam America" and
"let Whitey pay" have never been spoken by either of the Obamas. The so
called video and or audio tapes never materialized on any major television
station including Fox. When confronted the man who created the lies could not
produce anything. You would know this if you'd checked in with any of the
non-partisan fact checking sites including the League of Women Voters, many of
the national newspapers and other sites. If you paid attention to the debates,
not what Obama was saying but what all the pundits were saying-there is no
relation, with Ayers, just one fabricated by the Republican party. Even McCain
said it was a non-issue until the polls turned against him and than his campaign
manages decided it was all they had to run on. This lie has been so caustic to
the consciousness of this country University Professors around the country and
have come out in support of Ayers and his change of consciousness to become a
well respected University Professor. This was done in major newspapers. Are you
f...
Rhonda  - He's creating his own violent (cont)   |IP205.188.116.xxx |2008-10-29 12:22:47
Are you familiar with the concept of forgiveness? Partial birth abortion is not
a medical term, you won't find it in a medical dictionary. It is a inflammatory
word created by the right wing Christian conservatives to inject "shock &
awe" in the minds of people. It is also a insidious covert way to undermine
women's right. Women's right are not defined by Roe v Wade. We are
multi-dimensional being who lives do not revolve around the single issue of
abortion. NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION. Your venomous consciousness seeped through in
the few words you wrote on this blog and made you a willing participant in the
racial intolerance, hate and acting out in the country. You have willing given
energy to those who wish harm to another human being. Remember what goes around
comes around. Shame on you. By the way, the ideas, philosophy and obvious
political leanings you embrace, the people in those groups would be horrified
and will turn on you in a minute if they knew you read and embraced Astrology.
Especially Hindu Astrology because they consider Hindus lower than pagans.
cathy   |IP208.66.144.xxx |2008-10-30 19:48:12
What a great article. This information needs to be broadcasted to the masses
who don't understand what is happening and need to be enlightened.
kshantaram  - Mc Cain   |IP121.245.14.xxx |2008-11-01 15:52:21
Mc Cain has basically a good chart with planets in own houses.

However,
currently the natal moon in capricorn is being transited by rahu vitiating the
thought processes; and the natal mars in the 7th is being transited by ketu
uprooting public support. Moreover, the moon ascendant saturn is suppressing sun
in the eighth house, standing for power and position/may be the end of; jupiter
is transiting the 12th house over ketu in own sign and the house of
liberation.

Have considered moon chart here as it represents the mood of the
time and fructification of behaviours.

Things do not sound right at the moment;
let us wait and watch. Natal moon is in uttarashada owned by the sun which is in
the 8th house transited by saturn, which may indicate self destructive
tendencies.

Was watching the 9th from the natal moon - mercury elevated in
virgo with venus; but the transit movements over the natal planets do not hint
at an encouraging scenario for the moment as the feel one gets.

Moreover,
debilated jupiter transit over natal moon from dec 10th speaks for an uneasy
head, rahu already being there, vitiating things further.

Obama has makara
lagna with tranist jupiter in the 12th house, but the tranist major planets do
not move badly over the natal planets as such; let us watch who gets liberated
in the presidential race, putting off the speculation. For the moment Obama is
leading the polls, ...
bhaaskaran  - McCain will win   |IP60.51.31.xxx |2008-11-03 09:46:26
Thanks Joni for your insightful article.

I believe MaCain will win the
election but will not last longer to enjoy the victory.

Rather unusual,
destiny factors will favour Sarah Palin to lead USA into 3rd World war, which is
definitely Nuclear War.

God Bless All Of Us.
laura neville  - truth-no matter how uncomfortable!   |IP68.103.2.xxx |2008-11-06 22:42:54
Joni
As i read some of these comments, I am struck by the fact that some
writers admonish you for writing the "negative" interpretations"
that you see in some of the planetary arrangements. I guess I was under the
misunderstanding that the astrologer does not "cause" the negative
event- but merely acknowledges the planetary energy which MAY result in certain
events (weather, global unrest, etc.) I also have the sense that there are many
who would become incensed if you did not report difficulties or the possibility
of tragedy. I personally prefer "the possible interpretations-whether
negative or positive". Please continue to report what the various aspects
and transits might indicate, rather than a white-washed version.

And the
most confusing issue: I could not see where you "joked" about any
assassination. Did i miss something? Guess I must have-since that never came
through when I read the piece!

Thanks for giving information that may not
always be easy to absorb but is helpful in terms of individual
consciousness.
Laura from kansas
Jerry   |IP117.199.51.xxx |2008-11-13 00:34:51
Hi Joni,

I was fascinated by your impressions. Barack Obama's meteoric rise
to the Presidency in four brief years, that had its humble beginnings as a
Senator from Illinois is nothing short of astonishing and no doubt reflects the
current trends. He is a representation of the change people are yearning for
(the Uranus-Saturn opp.) and like the era of the previous opp. in the '60's you
were mentioning, there is also a mixture of uncertainty and danger implicit in
that excitement.

I'm not sure if you are aware, perhaps I should mention it;
the rock opera Tommy was inspired and loosely based on the life of Meher Baba,
of whom Peter T. is a long-time devotee (refer to the following link complete
with astro. details).....

http://www.as trotheme.com/portraits/E4ThAww
kYj7g.htm

Here's a URL link on Meher Baba:

http://www.ambppct.or
g/index.php
Barbara  - Judgement back at you   |IP164.64.147.xxx |2008-11-19 09:41:23
Dear Judy,
Your statement is astounding to me. 1. Are you aware that Obama
has very publically and explicitly denounced the divisive and hateful comment of
Reverend Right? He has explicitly stated that the diatribe of hate is
destructive and not productive. He has ended his association with Reverend
Right.
2. Your comments about Bill Ayers reveals a typical overstatement of any
association between Obama and Ayers. If you looked any further than your own
diatribe of hate, the link between the two is entirely unrelated to the
misguided violent acts of Ayers in his youth 40 years ago. Obama was a child at
the time, and there is no evidence that he ever took part in acts of violence as
a means to advance any cause. The association between the two, when Obama became
an adult, was a part of a neighborhood and community improvement effort-
entirely nonviolent.
3. Judy, I wish to ask you, have you ever known someone
who said and did awful things? I will wager you have, we all have. Based on
your logic, simply by your knowing this person, you condone and support whatever
awful things they have said and done. Do you think it is fair for you to be
judged guilty of acts you have never committed simply by association? Again I
will wager, you would find it unacceptable to be so judged. I hope you do not
really wish for Obama to be killed as your statements infers. That would make
y...
Barbara  - Judgement back at you   |IP164.64.147.xxx |2008-11-19 09:44:53
Cont..Again I will wager, you would find it unacceptable to be so judged. I
hope you do not really wish for Obama to be killed as your statements infer.
That would make you a really awful person,
wouldn
Barbara  - Cont. Judgement back at you   |IP164.64.147.xxx |2008-11-19 10:15:46
cont.. Sorry for the multiple enteries, I'm having challenges with cut and past.
It certainally limits the impact of what I was trying to say.
Anyway:
Again
I will wager, you would find it unacceptable to be so judged. I hope you do not
really wish for Obama to be killed as your statements infers.
That would make
you a really awful person, wouldn
Barbara  - one last try   |IP164.64.147.xxx |2008-11-19 12:31:30
That would make you a really awful person, wouldn't it? Does not the good book
say,"Judge not lest ye be judged"? Yes Judy, we do influence the workd
around up by our actions, thoughs and hopes. My hope for you is that you be
surrounded by friends and family who are kind, generous, intellegent,
responsible, and loving. I hope for positive influences for you.
chiron  - Plaudits to Joni.   |IP98.149.158.xxx |2008-11-29 10:46:31
Joni:

I must compliment you on your site. Its construction, layout, your
articles, and your brilliant astrological insight. I myself am a practicing
astrologer of over twenty years, versed in the Western practice although I
understand Vedic well enough. I also am clairsentient and often use the tarot to
explore the indicators that I see in a chart. I have been fascinated with this
election cycle. I have read your articles with interest. Interestingly enough,
despite the difference between the sidereal and tropical systems
I arrived at
many of the same conclusions from the candidates charts as you, and have posted
my forecasts on several online sites. I also caution astrologers not to utilize
astrology to support their political views of any ilk. Often politicized psuedo
astrologers enhance or discount aspects and transits to suit their own world
viewpoints, not only misusing the practice, but creating a form of 'astroganda'
that serves no one well. You are one of the few untainted, posting online, who
seem to have remained neutral. Congratulations. I caution your readers therefore
not to insult Ms. Patry for forecasting what she sees as indicators. If you want
your own world views homogenized and validated find a political site where you
can vent and rail. In the greater scheme of things, no one is right, no one is
wrong, As astrology proves, things work in cycles.

As to the Oba...
chiron  - cont.   |IP98.149.158.xxx |2008-11-29 10:47:28
As to the Obama forecast. Ms. Patry's assumptions are correct. His chart
displays eight separate indicators for death. Currently in the western system
his Uranus will shortly be making its second pass by retrogradation to his natal
Mars come January. The third hit will follow soon thereafter. These two planets
individually often act as triggers to other astrological energies. Together they
bespeak a strong flash drama of sorts. I have said for well over a year that if
elected, he would be placing himself in the hands of the Fates. These things are
often decided by spirit well in advance. He is a walk in meant to be where he is
at this time. The purpose will unfold as it is meant to unfold whether for the
greater good, or not.
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